I'll start off by saying this is one AMD product I'm not a fan of. The cards have always generally fallen well below the Nvidia set bar. In the past almost in ever case Nvidia has provided a better alterative card roughly in same price range with way better stats with the their basic version of the card. Nvidia further up the bar start in 2011 when AMD can within touching distance, launching the Gerforces TI version of its cards. Which is basically your buddy saying "hey check out my new Honda Civic!" You "That's nice dude, check out my Lambo." I've also purchased one of their cards several year back for build I did for friend on active duty. (E-2 budget build) I hated the interface program so much, I returned the card and paid difference to get into a mid range Geforce 8XXX series card. However I'm sure the "catalysis" system has change a ton of the years.
Based on the video, trying to verify the information, it's all rumor mill. The video post 3 days ago and not single trusted tech review has collaborated any of the information. I found a few articles on Reddit, which was the second sources he used, and it states at the top and several times through article "Rumor to be". That post also has no sources listed to collaborating where the stats and graphs came from. When comparing the card to the current version, it basically looks like somebody boosted the percentages from 40 to 100% from the previous models to somewhat keep card in the realm of past performance when comparing to the Nvidia series. Which roughly means, the AMD cards are going to factory clock is going to fall short of the 30 series but consumers will have the options to OC or boost the card to perform at that level but not have much juice left to do anything else.
On the other side of the coin, I would love to see AMD hit a Grand Slam here. Come out with a cleaner, as fast or faster factory OC, be somewhere close to market in ram, have ample stock at launch, and be well below the price range of Nvidia. Which pricing shouldn't be to hard to beat. AMD shocked Intel and the gaming world with the Ryzen Chip, if they are able to do the same with their GPUs and stay around their general price point. WHOOOO! All these angry, rage bloggers and snowflake gamers who are bitching and crying they didn't get a RTX at launch.... They'll happily jump off the GeForce Train, jump on the AMD RX wagon with flags, fireworks and plenty of shit talking.
Price perspective:
Price range of the 3090s is damn near ridiculous, specially when it comes to some of third party manufactures. Even in the era of COV and PC parts going up, I still can build entire system with Intel Flagship Comet Lake 10 core 5.7ghz processor, my choice of top ASUS or MSI Mobo, 32 gigs of memory. 1TB 980 M.2, 1000 watt power supply, half way fancy case, and still have few 100 left over for price of some of these cards. Hell, swap the CPU and Mobo to AMD, throw in the standard 2070 and basically have my computer in a nutshell minus 32 gigs of ram and the extra SDD storage drives. And what even more crazier, half the crap the 3090 supposedly can do, you'll never get to see because they don't make TV or monitors rated for that speed or resolutions.
After reading all that information, it's clear I will be waiting until at least Q1 21 before purchasing a new rig. I think AMD has a great opportunity to take the lead if their cards can match the 30 series performance.
After watching Jay's review and further investigation... This is known:
"ColorFul" company identified the issue internally weeks prior to launch as Jay stated, pulled back all advertisement of their new card and halted the launch. I still have no idea who this Colorful company is however the 3080 was to be their flagship, "HELLO GAMERS" into the PC part world, with plans to provide a beefy 3080 with superior cooling levels for a stand alone card. (GPU that want chase you out of the room.)
EVGA also found the issue prior to launch and add one 10 MLCC to their standard card, and two 10 MLCC to their FW3 OC card. (Also known as their TI series cards.) With the FX3 cards mirroring the Nvidia Founders build. It's also worth noting neither of these 3 cards or brands have had any issues with the cards sold to any consumer.
Zotac, MSI and Gigabyte due to "bare minimum" standard, opted to continue with previous lines of caps used in the 9, 10 and 20 series of cards, called the POSCAP. Note: POSCAP is cheaper, tons of electronics use it and it was mass produced prior to COV. Where the 10 MLCC is little harder to come by, new to the GPU and cost more MONEY?
If the 10 MLCC is not mass produce, and not widely used, then all of sudden Boom the GPU industry needs 8 to 10 million + during a point and time the world manufacturing industry is shut down from COV. I could see where shortage and price point could seem difficult for companies to choke down. I also have to consider, 3rd party was given the "bare minimum" spec that Nvidia start out with ie: Prototype 1 that was stable. Now you have 6 manufacturers, trying to figure out design, layout, and selling point, meanwhile finding out the benchmarks and the overclocking power of the founder editions basically in real time as we the consumer were finding out. If your in the business of making and selling exotic performance GPUs you got roughly 5 to 6 weeks from: here's the minimum specs on paper to a fully work product by Sept 17th launch day or be destroyed by the internet mob. Based on what I reading, manufacturers didn't have a whole lot of time to do extensive testing. EVGA and Colorful went the route of NDA's and started contacting reviewers like Jay and sent them out their very own free card to test and review. Jay gets a mill to two mill hits per video, doesn't BS anybody and probably directly the reason Colorful contacting him personally and told him straight up what the issue and hold off on the review.
So far EVGA has released a statement, saying all EVGA cards shipped from the Sept 17th to present, meet or exceed Nvidia Standard and is equipped with the 10 MLCC caps with no issues. Several "PROTOTYPE" cards where indeed shipped to reviewers and testers weeks prior to launch for feedback with the POSCAP. The issues was identified in testing by reviewers, EVGA R&D worked for a week to identify, confirm and fix the issues prior to launch to the public. EVGA is working with each reviewer/tester personally to replace these cards with the consumer model free of charge. "EVGA ALWAYS STANDBY IT'S PRODUCT." -CEO of EVGA
Colorful: We've identified an issue with our card weeks prior to launch internally, and have delayed the launch of all 30 series cards until further notice.
Zotac: Has acknowledge there is an issue, asking current owners to lower the clock speed by following the posted instructions on quick fix. They have also started a forum page for owners to fill out for a future replacement of the cards as Zotac determines a permit solutions. In the meantime, they are sending all owners a box of moon pies to hold them over until the issue can be resolved.
MSI and Gigabyte both using 6 POSCAP are standing by their builds, issuing a simple statement, "the problem is a software issue". As Jay explained in his video, more than likely, they will or already have come out with a software update, lowering the clock on the GPU and not allowing it ramp up to the advertised speeds.
ASUS: Has not released a state as neither card has hit the market yet. Based on the designed from the ASUS website, the TUF is due to follow Nvidia Founders build with 2x 10 MLCC and the flagship ROG Strix, performing in true ROG fashion will have all 6 caps 10 MLCC for maximum power compustions and performance. ASUS is shooting for the most stable factory overclock out the door, to date. 25% faster than any other card on the market. Hence ASUS putting out the statement on Sept. 15th, if your power supply is not 850 watts, and less than a year old, plan on purchasing a new power supply with Strix 3080 or 3090. Suspected "testers" of the ASUS Strix also where already echoing this on Reddit and suggested minimum 1000 watt powerhouse from known name brand manufacturers. ""Quality"power supply is the keyword if you want to run the Strix as intended." -Reddit. ASUS Tuf and Strix "Reddit Rumor Mill" are to hit the market Monday Morning Sept. 28th at 0600 Pacific Time. No official word from ASUS.
(Although in my personal opinion ASUS may delay launch for further testing as they like to set the high end standard with anything that bares the ROG Logo as they have done with their MOBO and Monitors. I have been really looking into the Strix card both specs and aesthetics. ASUS has been extremely quiet about their GPUs, with majority of informations coming from Reddit and later being confirmed on ASUS GPUs with updates. ASUS has made ZERO Statements since launch day, nothing on an official release time, with the only information being posted on their website. Worth noting ASUS was the only major manufacturer to say they would be delaying the launch of their flagship cards for further in house testing. Where they able to identify the issue before hand? Was this delay a tactic/gamble to see who's card was going to fail based on release build specs from other manufacturers? Avoid the fray of mishaps to solidified ASUS as the future GPU Kings?
Based on the Tech Articles and Videos I have watch, the issues currently involves Zotac, MSI and Gigabyte graphic cards. All brands running 6 POSCAP, with all brands base stating they outperform the founder editions.
What I predict for future.
It sounds like Zotac is looking into upgrading future builds of the thier cards and sending replacement card, along with box of moon pies to the current owners as a "hey we botch this, we're going to own it and make it right." Watch for future price hike in the MSRP in the Zotac cards as version 2.0 the 10 MCLL cap version rolls off the assembly line.
MSI and Gigabyte, i have already virtue signaled the middle finger to consumers and tech word looking for comments, with "its a software issue." Latest post I'm see is they've already pushed a software patch this morning lowering the performance of their card by 20% and have taking away the OC function. I foresee in the upcoming months right before Christmas a TI version if you will, from these two brands that will have 10 MCLL caps and call it a better version for additional 75 to 100 bucks. Followed by a few 100k plus weekend noob gamers making the purchase based on name recognition and cheaper selling point than the (Ferria 488) EVGA and ASUS (Bugatti Chiron Super Sport 300+).
Well, I’ve been sorta holding out for the ASUS Strix by dumb luck for my build. Even though I tried to pick up EVGA 3090 on launch day. I don’t mess with the clock systems anyways... I play to much and not that great of player to push for a few extra frames.
The overall reality is the likelihood of us getting a card will probably be well into 2021. Plenty of time for them to fix the issues and figure out who’s brand is the best. Also super curious about that ”colorful” card he mentioned. did recognize the emblem or the name.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMns8t4OhI0
I'll start off by saying this is one AMD product I'm not a fan of. The cards have always generally fallen well below the Nvidia set bar. In the past almost in ever case Nvidia has provided a better alterative card roughly in same price range with way better stats with the their basic version of the card. Nvidia further up the bar start in 2011 when AMD can within touching distance, launching the Gerforces TI version of its cards. Which is basically your buddy saying "hey check out my new Honda Civic!" You "That's nice dude, check out my Lambo." I've also purchased one of their cards several year back for build I did for friend on active duty. (E-2 budget build) I hated the interface program so much, I returned the card and paid difference to get into a mid range Geforce 8XXX series card. However I'm sure the "catalysis" system has change a ton of the years.
Based on the video, trying to verify the information, it's all rumor mill. The video post 3 days ago and not single trusted tech review has collaborated any of the information. I found a few articles on Reddit, which was the second sources he used, and it states at the top and several times through article "Rumor to be". That post also has no sources listed to collaborating where the stats and graphs came from. When comparing the card to the current version, it basically looks like somebody boosted the percentages from 40 to 100% from the previous models to somewhat keep card in the realm of past performance when comparing to the Nvidia series. Which roughly means, the AMD cards are going to factory clock is going to fall short of the 30 series but consumers will have the options to OC or boost the card to perform at that level but not have much juice left to do anything else.
On the other side of the coin, I would love to see AMD hit a Grand Slam here. Come out with a cleaner, as fast or faster factory OC, be somewhere close to market in ram, have ample stock at launch, and be well below the price range of Nvidia. Which pricing shouldn't be to hard to beat. AMD shocked Intel and the gaming world with the Ryzen Chip, if they are able to do the same with their GPUs and stay around their general price point. WHOOOO! All these angry, rage bloggers and snowflake gamers who are bitching and crying they didn't get a RTX at launch.... They'll happily jump off the GeForce Train, jump on the AMD RX wagon with flags, fireworks and plenty of shit talking.
Price perspective:
Price range of the 3090s is damn near ridiculous, specially when it comes to some of third party manufactures. Even in the era of COV and PC parts going up, I still can build entire system with Intel Flagship Comet Lake 10 core 5.7ghz processor, my choice of top ASUS or MSI Mobo, 32 gigs of memory. 1TB 980 M.2, 1000 watt power supply, half way fancy case, and still have few 100 left over for price of some of these cards. Hell, swap the CPU and Mobo to AMD, throw in the standard 2070 and basically have my computer in a nutshell minus 32 gigs of ram and the extra SDD storage drives. And what even more crazier, half the crap the 3090 supposedly can do, you'll never get to see because they don't make TV or monitors rated for that speed or resolutions.
@Med-Eight AMD's RX 6900 XT, 6800 XT & 6700 XT FULL Specs LEAK?!
Good review. Your Thoughts?!
After reading all that information, it's clear I will be waiting until at least Q1 21 before purchasing a new rig. I think AMD has a great opportunity to take the lead if their cards can match the 30 series performance.
After watching Jay's review and further investigation... This is known:
"ColorFul" company identified the issue internally weeks prior to launch as Jay stated, pulled back all advertisement of their new card and halted the launch. I still have no idea who this Colorful company is however the 3080 was to be their flagship, "HELLO GAMERS" into the PC part world, with plans to provide a beefy 3080 with superior cooling levels for a stand alone card. (GPU that want chase you out of the room.)
EVGA also found the issue prior to launch and add one 10 MLCC to their standard card, and two 10 MLCC to their FW3 OC card. (Also known as their TI series cards.) With the FX3 cards mirroring the Nvidia Founders build. It's also worth noting neither of these 3 cards or brands have had any issues with the cards sold to any consumer.
Zotac, MSI and Gigabyte due to "bare minimum" standard, opted to continue with previous lines of caps used in the 9, 10 and 20 series of cards, called the POSCAP. Note: POSCAP is cheaper, tons of electronics use it and it was mass produced prior to COV. Where the 10 MLCC is little harder to come by, new to the GPU and cost more MONEY?
If the 10 MLCC is not mass produce, and not widely used, then all of sudden Boom the GPU industry needs 8 to 10 million + during a point and time the world manufacturing industry is shut down from COV. I could see where shortage and price point could seem difficult for companies to choke down. I also have to consider, 3rd party was given the "bare minimum" spec that Nvidia start out with ie: Prototype 1 that was stable. Now you have 6 manufacturers, trying to figure out design, layout, and selling point, meanwhile finding out the benchmarks and the overclocking power of the founder editions basically in real time as we the consumer were finding out. If your in the business of making and selling exotic performance GPUs you got roughly 5 to 6 weeks from: here's the minimum specs on paper to a fully work product by Sept 17th launch day or be destroyed by the internet mob. Based on what I reading, manufacturers didn't have a whole lot of time to do extensive testing. EVGA and Colorful went the route of NDA's and started contacting reviewers like Jay and sent them out their very own free card to test and review. Jay gets a mill to two mill hits per video, doesn't BS anybody and probably directly the reason Colorful contacting him personally and told him straight up what the issue and hold off on the review.
So far EVGA has released a statement, saying all EVGA cards shipped from the Sept 17th to present, meet or exceed Nvidia Standard and is equipped with the 10 MLCC caps with no issues. Several "PROTOTYPE" cards where indeed shipped to reviewers and testers weeks prior to launch for feedback with the POSCAP. The issues was identified in testing by reviewers, EVGA R&D worked for a week to identify, confirm and fix the issues prior to launch to the public. EVGA is working with each reviewer/tester personally to replace these cards with the consumer model free of charge. "EVGA ALWAYS STANDBY IT'S PRODUCT." -CEO of EVGA
Colorful: We've identified an issue with our card weeks prior to launch internally, and have delayed the launch of all 30 series cards until further notice.
Zotac: Has acknowledge there is an issue, asking current owners to lower the clock speed by following the posted instructions on quick fix. They have also started a forum page for owners to fill out for a future replacement of the cards as Zotac determines a permit solutions. In the meantime, they are sending all owners a box of moon pies to hold them over until the issue can be resolved.
MSI and Gigabyte both using 6 POSCAP are standing by their builds, issuing a simple statement, "the problem is a software issue". As Jay explained in his video, more than likely, they will or already have come out with a software update, lowering the clock on the GPU and not allowing it ramp up to the advertised speeds.
ASUS: Has not released a state as neither card has hit the market yet. Based on the designed from the ASUS website, the TUF is due to follow Nvidia Founders build with 2x 10 MLCC and the flagship ROG Strix, performing in true ROG fashion will have all 6 caps 10 MLCC for maximum power compustions and performance. ASUS is shooting for the most stable factory overclock out the door, to date. 25% faster than any other card on the market. Hence ASUS putting out the statement on Sept. 15th, if your power supply is not 850 watts, and less than a year old, plan on purchasing a new power supply with Strix 3080 or 3090. Suspected "testers" of the ASUS Strix also where already echoing this on Reddit and suggested minimum 1000 watt powerhouse from known name brand manufacturers. ""Quality"power supply is the keyword if you want to run the Strix as intended." -Reddit. ASUS Tuf and Strix "Reddit Rumor Mill" are to hit the market Monday Morning Sept. 28th at 0600 Pacific Time. No official word from ASUS.
(Although in my personal opinion ASUS may delay launch for further testing as they like to set the high end standard with anything that bares the ROG Logo as they have done with their MOBO and Monitors. I have been really looking into the Strix card both specs and aesthetics. ASUS has been extremely quiet about their GPUs, with majority of informations coming from Reddit and later being confirmed on ASUS GPUs with updates. ASUS has made ZERO Statements since launch day, nothing on an official release time, with the only information being posted on their website. Worth noting ASUS was the only major manufacturer to say they would be delaying the launch of their flagship cards for further in house testing. Where they able to identify the issue before hand? Was this delay a tactic/gamble to see who's card was going to fail based on release build specs from other manufacturers? Avoid the fray of mishaps to solidified ASUS as the future GPU Kings?
Based on the Tech Articles and Videos I have watch, the issues currently involves Zotac, MSI and Gigabyte graphic cards. All brands running 6 POSCAP, with all brands base stating they outperform the founder editions.
What I predict for future.
It sounds like Zotac is looking into upgrading future builds of the thier cards and sending replacement card, along with box of moon pies to the current owners as a "hey we botch this, we're going to own it and make it right." Watch for future price hike in the MSRP in the Zotac cards as version 2.0 the 10 MCLL cap version rolls off the assembly line.
MSI and Gigabyte, i have already virtue signaled the middle finger to consumers and tech word looking for comments, with "its a software issue." Latest post I'm see is they've already pushed a software patch this morning lowering the performance of their card by 20% and have taking away the OC function. I foresee in the upcoming months right before Christmas a TI version if you will, from these two brands that will have 10 MCLL caps and call it a better version for additional 75 to 100 bucks. Followed by a few 100k plus weekend noob gamers making the purchase based on name recognition and cheaper selling point than the (Ferria 488) EVGA and ASUS (Bugatti Chiron Super Sport 300+).
Well, I’ve been sorta holding out for the ASUS Strix by dumb luck for my build. Even though I tried to pick up EVGA 3090 on launch day. I don’t mess with the clock systems anyways... I play to much and not that great of player to push for a few extra frames.
The overall reality is the likelihood of us getting a card will probably be well into 2021. Plenty of time for them to fix the issues and figure out who’s brand is the best. Also super curious about that ”colorful” card he mentioned. did recognize the emblem or the name.